[me6894]

bowtieforlife, on 06 March 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:

wow a TBS is gonna get me some HUGE gains....not..... i'll stick to what i got

That's the point, because neither is that jet "programmer" you have.

[bowtieforlife]

sure does show a difference. 02 GTP was a car length ahead of me at a hundo and he was WOT the entire time so either his car is slower than can be or i got more power with my chip

[me6894]

bowtieforlife, on 06 March 2010 - 11:10 AM, said:

sure does show a difference. 02 GTP was a car length ahead of me at a hundo and he was WOT the entire time so either his car is slower than can be or i got more power with my chip

Your 3100 can't keep up with an l67, keep dreamin kid

This post has been edited by me6894: 06 March 2010 - 11:23 AM

[cak387]

Wow, this thread just got stupid. Even with the "programmer," you wouldn't even be close to a GTP. I was thinking we shouldn't give you a hard time like Dave said but you come in here and just flat out lie about beating a car. You aren't going to fool anyone into thinking that you actually beat a car with an L67. Hell, I would lose to my girlfriend every time in my 97 ls and she was driving a Dakota.

If I were you, I would just quit making lies and/or get a dyno sheet. Better yet, do both.

[nitehawkjcb]

Teh GTP = KR FTL.

[KevinGTP]

Damn, I've been missing out on this.

[mitch_09]

Since you can't get a dyno, how about this: remove the programmer, make an acceleration video. Install programmer, and repeat. If there's any difference, that will prove it.

[me6894]

mitch_09, on 07 March 2010 - 12:20 PM, said:

Since you can't get a dyno, how about this: remove the programmer, make an acceleration video. Install programmer, and repeat. If there's any difference, that will prove it.

Not a bad idea. But there also has to be a clear shot that its on the same road and the second video isn't downhill lol

[bumpin96monte]

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Since you can't get a dyno,

I thought he said he was going to the dyno?

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going to the dyno today!!!! hoping to get slips up this weekend.

[mitch_09]

yay for reading

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[Manitcor]

wow I can't believe I am seeing this come back.

The JET chip has been around FOREVER and we have debunked it as a POS again and again.

I know you want to hold on to it and feel like you didn't waste $200 but I am sorry to say that you did.

RICH17, on 03 March 2010 - 11:10 PM, said:

Just looked up on Jet's website and that product is discontinued and now is replaced by an actual programer. I still dont trust anything but DHP

http://jetchip.com/s...rch=Yes&sppp=10

DHP is defunct, as of now the only reputable vendor with programming capabilities that I am aware of is HPTuners.

Jet and HyperTech have been screwing people over for so long on overpriced garbage I don't even look at them anymore.

[bowtieforlife]

yeah and as you see on the website is what i have installed in my car they are both the same product just one comes with an actual screen to see things while mine is a meter like a boost gauge in a GTP. ill do accel vids if you need proof but i got dyno sheets as well just need to copy them onto here. i didnt see the 25 horse the box says i got an extra 19 more. i read up more on the unit and it says 25 horse more with supporting mods so im sorry if it seemed like i was lying or disrespectful but hey i got 19 horse and 15 torque im happy with it

[03_S/C_SS]

thats a foot in the mouth for a few of you lol jk
but congrats on 19hp

[cak387]

Well I'm going to be the first to say prove it. Were probably going to get a dyno sheet from another car anyways. The OP already ruined it for himself by posting a story where he could keep up with a GTP. He lost a lot of credibility right there.

[03_S/C_SS]

that is true but whos to say it was running right? i just rode in a regal gs with nic cam 3.0 pulley crazy ported heads and headers and it was like a 3.4 gtp there are alot of factors to add in to that but chances are its not legit

[zipper778]

Wow. I totally missed this thread, lol. I saw the title of it on the main page and was like, oh no not another one of these, lol. A few things that I want to address:

1) When and where did you go to the dyno?

2) What was the whp before and after? Pics?

3) Don't expect to keep up with a GTP in a 3100. I could BARELY do that with my NA L36 build that put down 222whp. There's no way at all a 3100 has a chance without boost. Believe me I know.

4) An acceleration video comparison before and after would be great with the above mentioned clear view of the road.

I'm skeptical but if you can answer those things then that's fine. But seriously, your best bet is to get the PCM reflashed with an HPTuners programmer.

[me6894]

cak387, on 08 March 2010 - 11:13 AM, said:

Well I'm going to be the first to say prove it. Were probably going to get a dyno sheet from another car anyways. The OP already ruined it for himself by posting a story where he could keep up with a GTP. He lost a lot of credibility right there.

x2. I would believe if you maybe gained 5whp, but 19? Come on man, give it up.

[bumpin96monte]

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that is true but whos to say it was running right?

So if I beat a C6 Z06 because two of his coil packs had failed- that still counts? If the car obviously isn't running correctly, I don't brag about beating the car.

[Nick07]

How the hell has this thread made it all the way to 78 posts? 79 including mine, wtf? What's takin so long for these "dyno sheets"? It takes like 5 minutes at the most to get something scanned and posted up here

[bowtieforlife]

okay first thing i never said i beat the GTP i said he was about a car length in front of me at a hundo. i've beat many 3800's including my buddies buick thats got a 3800 you can ask him and he'll tell you the same thing that i have beat him multiple times. as for dyno sheets i'm trying to get them copied onto here and then i'll see if i can get a camera for WOT times. like i said 19 ponnies and 15 torque to the wheels if you got a problem with that being true then suit yourself i know whats going on with my car and you don't. Pics will come up soon from dyno sheets

[03_S/C_SS]

i have been laughing to myself everytime i look at this lol

[me6894]

Double post

This post has been edited by me6894: 08 March 2010 - 05:43 PM

[me6894]

bowtieforlife, on 08 March 2010 - 01:18 PM, said:

okay first thing i never said i beat the GTP i said he was about a car length in front of me at a hundo. i've beat many 3800's including my buddies buick thats got a 3800 you can ask him and he'll tell you the same thing that i have beat him multiple times. as for dyno sheets i'm trying to get them copied onto here and then i'll see if i can get a camera for WOT times. like i said 19 ponnies and 15 torque to the wheels if you got a problem with that being true then suit yourself i know whats going on with my car and you don't. Pics will come up soon from dyno sheets

Yes you clearly have a thorough understanding of these engines, I mean hell you have added muffler and and intake, what more is there?

[hey99whatsZgoing34on]

First there was the guarantee of 25 horse, now it's only 19 with supporting mods.... It went from a chip to now, a programmer. A car behind a GTP with any 3100 is very, very funny but also, not true. I can believe you beating something with a 3800 is plausible but only because it was a 92 Buick Regal with the old 3800 which has just similar amount of horsepower.

Dyno sheets or ban I say.


found another horse too

This post has been edited by hey99whatsZgoing34on: 08 March 2010 - 05:58 PM

[zipper778]

zipper778, on 08 March 2010 - 11:34 AM, said:

Wow. I totally missed this thread, lol. I saw the title of it on the main page and was like, oh no not another one of these, lol. A few things that I want to address:

1) When and where did you go to the dyno?

2) What was the whp before and after? Pics?

3) Don't expect to keep up with a GTP in a 3100. I could BARELY do that with my NA L36 build that put down 222whp. There's no way at all a 3100 has a chance without boost. Believe me I know.

4) An acceleration video comparison before and after would be great with the above mentioned clear view of the road.

I'm skeptical but if you can answer those things then that's fine. But seriously, your best bet is to get the PCM reflashed with an HPTuners programmer.

Could you please answer these questions bowtieforlife?

I will agree that I can see a 3100 keeping up with a 3800, especially if it's in an H-body car. Those things are pretty slow, about a second slower in the 1/4 than W-body's with the same engine which would place the H-body L36's in range of a 3100 w-body.

[Manitcor]

hey99whatsZgoing34on, on 08 March 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

First there was the guarantee of 25 horse, now it's only 19 with supporting mods.... It went from a chip to now, a programmer. A car behind a GTP with any 3100 is very, very funny but also, not true. I can believe you beating something with a 3800 is plausible but only because it was a 92 Buick Regal with the old 3800 which has just similar amount of horsepower.

It took me a swap from a 3100 to 3400, pullies, headers, injectors, ODBII upgrade, tuning, 3.33 gears and some other goodies just to get to the point of out running a Stock N/A 3800. For the most part it's dead even from a dig, the 660s top end is what gives me an edge. Soo yeah, 3100 keeping up with or beating a 3800 without boost or more than just an intake, mufflers and a "chip/programmer/whatever" just isn't gonna happen.

[me6894]

Manitcor, on 08 March 2010 - 07:23 PM, said:

hey99whatsZgoing34on, on 08 March 2010 - 05:57 PM, said:

First there was the guarantee of 25 horse, now it's only 19 with supporting mods.... It went from a chip to now, a programmer. A car behind a GTP with any 3100 is very, very funny but also, not true. I can believe you beating something with a 3800 is plausible but only because it was a 92 Buick Regal with the old 3800 which has just similar amount of horsepower.

It took me a swap from a 3100 to 3400, pullies, headers, injectors, ODBII upgrade, tuning, 3.33 gears and some other goodies just to get to the point of out running a Stock N/A 3800. For the most part it's dead even from a dig, the 660s top end is what gives me an edge. Soo yeah, 3100 keeping up with or beating a 3800 without boost or more than just an intake, mufflers and a "chip/programmer/whatever" just isn't gonna happen.

Well you did it all wrong man. Shoulda just went straight for the jet programmer! Then you could beat gtps, mustangs, corvettes, bughattis, ferraris, lambos, porsches, gokarts, crotch rockets, jet planes, funny cars, model ts, rc cars, boats, electric cars, biodiesel cars, duramax trucks, semis, atvs and minivans.

[zipper778]

So, are we to believe that this isn't real since he isn't answering any questions anymore? If he answers just these two questions, it might help out his case. I know I have posted 1/4 mile times and dyno numbers quite a few times and I have always shown when and where type of info. Bowtieforlife, it would really help you out if you answered these:

1) When and where did you go to the dyno?

2) What was the whp before and after? Pics?

[Sidewinder]

Having read through this thread I feel the need to post. I think it safe to say that I'm somewhat of a 60 degree v6 engine FANATIC (that's what you have by the way) so perhaps I can help. The 3100 has 160HP at the crank, 180torque at the crank. If you gained 19hp and 15torque that puts you at 179hp and 195torque, even i will admit that there is NO WAY IN HELL that you could keep up with a GTP unless that car was hurting ALOT. You are looking at a 61hp and 85torque deficit, that is HUGE. I also doubt that your engine is running in tip top shape unless it has recently been rebuilt, I wouldn't be surprised if mine was making as low as 120hp given its age. My point is your receiving a lot of flak about your comments because frankly your claims seem impossible given all of our collective knowledge. I was 18 all of 4 years ago and trust me you can be wrong, especially when you haven't done any research and start making wild claims.

Seriously dude, despite the humourous nature of this post you need to realize when this many people slam this thing you have to start to question whether it was a good purchase or not and research it. There are also many people here who are willing to help if you ask questions first. For example, that $200 you spent on that jet "programmer" could have been used towards a large port top swap which is large port heads, large port lower and upper intake manifolds and a larger throttle body. If you check the specs for the 3100 in 2000+ grand prixs that is a top swapped 3100. Those make 175hp and 190torque and is essentially a guaranteed improvement for your motor (given good parts) rather than throwing money at something that has been proven not to work.

I guess the ultimate point here is that when people start slamming what you've purchased it may be because there is actually something wrong with it, and if so you can save that $200 for something constructive. Especially if you aren't employed then it makes it worse. We all had to start somewhere, including me when I started car modding at 18. The best advice I can give your right now is patience, you seriously need to have lots of it for this hobby. Research, plan, save, create/build and it should work out, and all of us are here to help. Many of us here have learned all we know from nothing.

[Lumina LTZ]

TThats it! I'm buying one for the LTZ today...does anyone recommend what helmet to buy???