[Tommy]

I have a Red 97 Monte LS it has an exhaust chop and no other modifications any body know were i should begin?

[cak387]

Welcome to the board. Give us a little more description of what you want the car to be in the end? Are we talking performance mods? If so, what are the numbers you are looking for?

Edit: Oh yeah, this is the wrong section to post in but it happens. One of the mods will move it for you though.

This post has been edited by cak387: 26 March 2010 - 08:32 AM

[Devin]

any pictures?... wecome!

[nitehawkjcb]

Honestly, there isn't much out there for the 3100. You could do a 3400 top end swap for an extra 20 horses. You'd probably have to custom fab a turbo kit (unless you can find one for a Grand Am with a 3400, and even then you'd probably have to do some modifying to make it work). This is why so many people get a larger motor (3800 or 3800 supercharged). There's a much larger aftermarket, but it would be unique to build a 3100/3400. The sad thing is that you'll dump way more money into your current motor just to get it to the same 1/4 mile time as a slightly modded L67 (3800 supercharged). Or... You could always drop in a N/A 3800 and turbo it. It's all about how much you want to spend and what your goals are for the car.

[Tommy]

I dont have any pictures. i got the car 4 $300. i wanna go 4 a nascar look and i was thinkin about 3800 superchared series 2 but i dunno wat i need 4 the swap or where to get it. can i install a 5 speed?

[Tommy]

In the end id like between 400 to 500 horse power i dunno if thats realistic for these motors ive never played with fuel injected v-6s i have messed with big and small bock v8 chevys

[cak387]

Yes you can install a 5 speed (getrag 282 I think) but it is very, very labor intensive. I don't know if anyone has swapped one into a monte but they have been swapped into other W-bodies.

As far as power goes, you are going to want to look into probably a l26 or l36 for a good compression ratio and then a decent size turbo. You will also want to invest a couple thousand into the tranny to hold up to the power. I don't know how well the 5 speeds hold up to that kind of power.

You are talking about putting a couple thousand dollars into a car that you paid $300 for. These are not the best platforms to make that kind of power. Sure the 3800 is an awesome engine but like 3800monte will tell you, you would benefit a lot more by investing that into a F-body.

[NiftyMonte]

gosh darn it mods, could we please move this into the "what should i do but will never do" section. thanks

[nitehawkjcb]

400-500 horses with your motor is going to be rather difficult. You'd have to completely build the motor, get a nice turbo/turbos, and learn how to tune like a champion. If you really want to stick with this platform, be prepared to dump a LOT of money into that car.

[cak387]

NiftyMonte, on 29 March 2010 - 10:07 AM, said:

gosh darn it mods, could we please move this into the "what should i do but will never do" section. thanks

I was biting my tongue by saying what I did but I feel the same. This needs to go with the other ones like the "I have $10,000 to spend on my car."

[me6894]

NiftyMonte, on 29 March 2010 - 10:07 AM, said:

gosh darn it mods, could we please move this into the "what should i do but will never do" section. thanks

My thoughts exactly.

[Tommy]

400- 500 is a goal 4 the future when i have the time and money i just want more out of wat i got now or a 3800 swap and more grip 4 the local autocross races

[Manitcor]

nitehawkjcb, on 29 March 2010 - 10:38 AM, said:

400-500 horses with your motor is going to be rather difficult. You'd have to completely build the motor, get a nice turbo/turbos, and learn how to tune like a champion. If you really want to stick with this platform, be prepared to dump a LOT of money into that car.

Just a bit of trivia.

The 3x00 pushrods will take at minimum 10psi on a stock engine. The only thing you would really need to do is better fueling and good intake/exhaust.

The engine and components it self are very strong and are known to hold up to quite a lot. It was the gaskets that were our issue, but that has largely been solved at this point. My understanding is the bottom end can take nearly 350-400hp. now can you put that much on a 3.1L displacement engine easily? not really.

Though you are going to need a trans to take the power, this would apply to any major upgrade too.

Though 10-12 still doest no get you 400+ only a little over 1/2 way there (maybe 260-270 on a good clean 3x00), you would need to do MUCH more to hit that goal.

[me6894]

Manitcor, on 30 March 2010 - 09:03 AM, said:

nitehawkjcb, on 29 March 2010 - 10:38 AM, said:

400-500 horses with your motor is going to be rather difficult. You'd have to completely build the motor, get a nice turbo/turbos, and learn how to tune like a champion. If you really want to stick with this platform, be prepared to dump a LOT of money into that car.

Just a bit of trivia.

The 3x00 pushrods will take at minimum 10psi on a stock engine. The only thing you would really need to do is better fueling and good intake/exhaust.

The engine and components it self are very strong and are known to hold up to quite a lot. It was the gaskets that were our issue, but that has largely been solved at this point. My understanding is the bottom end can take nearly 350-400hp. now can you put that much on a 3.1L displacement engine easily? not really.

Though you are going to need a trans to take the power, this would apply to any major upgrade too.

Though 10-12 still doest no get you 400+ only a little over 1/2 way there (maybe 260-270 on a good clean 3x00), you would need to do MUCH more to hit that goal.

Not to mention if you ever do reach that 500whp goal you're not gonna have traction below 80mph

[Tommy]

k wat would be a realistic build i guess swap can be managed to

[Robb235]

Tommy, on 07 April 2010 - 09:43 AM, said:

k wat would be a realistic build i guess swap can be managed to

How mechanically inclined are you? Do you have experience working on cars?

[jaybaum96]

Well since you have the 3100, your not going to get any large power gains unless you spend 1500+ on a engine swap. If i were you, start with intake/exhaust. get a downpipe, a nice dual exhaust system and a fender well intake w/ cone filter. Then you can move onto a tuned pcm and go further. Or if your looking to spend a bit more just do a n/a 3800 swap.

[me6894]

jaybaum96, on 13 April 2010 - 10:22 AM, said:

Well since you have the 3100, your not going to get any large power gains unless you spend 1500+ on a engine swap. If i were you, start with intake/exhaust. get a downpipe, a nice dual exhaust system and a fender well intake w/ cone filter. Then you can move onto a tuned pcm and go further. Or if your looking to spend a bit more just do a n/a 3800 swap.

Why would you swap to an n/a 3800 when you can swap an L67 for the same price and labor time?

[Tommy]

i am very good with cars but computers r kinda new to me

[bumpin96monte]

Here's the thing, you say you want a 500 hp setup someday, but where do you start now- we need to know some sort of budget of what kind of money you're looking to spend short term. Unfortunately, if you're looking to do that big of a setup, doing a bunch of cheap bolt ons now probably is going to be a waste since many could be replaced later. Your best bet if you're really serious could be to get a spare engine (either a 60* platform or 90* platform) and start building that. That way you can start getting your new engine built with the hardcore parts to start with- and you can just build the new engine as you get money.

[jaybaum96]

me6894, on 13 April 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

jaybaum96, on 13 April 2010 - 10:22 AM, said:

Well since you have the 3100, your not going to get any large power gains unless you spend 1500+ on a engine swap. If i were you, start with intake/exhaust. get a downpipe, a nice dual exhaust system and a fender well intake w/ cone filter. Then you can move onto a tuned pcm and go further. Or if your looking to spend a bit more just do a n/a 3800 swap.

Why would you swap to an n/a 3800 when you can swap an L67 for the same price and labor time?

I dont know, just a suggestion.

[jaybaum96]

me6894, on 13 April 2010 - 12:32 PM, said:

jaybaum96, on 13 April 2010 - 10:22 AM, said:

Well since you have the 3100, your not going to get any large power gains unless you spend 1500+ on a engine swap. If i were you, start with intake/exhaust. get a downpipe, a nice dual exhaust system and a fender well intake w/ cone filter. Then you can move onto a tuned pcm and go further. Or if your looking to spend a bit more just do a n/a 3800 swap.

Why would you swap to an n/a 3800 when you can swap an L67 for the same price and labor time?

I dont know, just a suggestion.

[ghostriderhd]

check out wot-tech.com ,milzymotorsports.com, they got great perf parts for a 3100

[cak387]

ghostriderhd, on 15 April 2010 - 09:58 PM, said:

milzymotorsports.com

I don't think so Tim!

http://mymonte.com/d...zy-motorsports/

[Z34Coop]

Kinda throwin it out as a dream but you'd be a lot closer to 400hp if you swapped in an LS4. I'm not sure if anyone's ever do that but it'd be quite nice and would be a little more like the V8s you're used to, cept fwd

[bumpin96monte]

I would think it would be easier to do a modded L67 swap rather than an LS4. With the LS4, you'd be doing a lot more trail blazing with the swap since so few have done it, and I think you may even need a cam to hit 400 crank horsepower (not sure if an intake manifold, headers, and rockers would quite do it- maybe close though).

Just some food for thought, the top two L67 records with a stock cam and stock heads (both on stock compression too) are about 315-317 whp (which comes out to a hair under 400 crank hp)- obviously that's rockers, a full size IC, etc- but that's not a bad route, and you wouldn't even have to crack the engine open.

[Tommy]

ok thanks guys i think im just gna leave it alone for now im looking 4 a new daily driver when i find one im gna strip the monte and build it the way i want it rear wheel drive ls motor 5 speed trans i dont have much money but i can basically have access to all the local junkyards and have ppl who will help me get the parts i need i am an autobody repairer and can and will rebuild the unibody if i have to. maybe ill build a full frame for it too

[ghostriderhd]

cak387, on 15 April 2010 - 08:33 PM, said:

ghostriderhd, on 15 April 2010 - 09:58 PM, said:

milzymotorsports.com

I don't think so Tim!

http://mymonte.com/d...zy-motorsports/

gottcha i didnt know that about milzy,but i have bought parts from wot-tech and pcmperf. they were correct and shipped promptly thanks for the info

[bumpin96monte]

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im gna strip the monte and build it the way i want it rear wheel drive ls motor 5 speed trans i dont have much money but i can basically have access to all the local junkyards and have ppl who will help me get the parts i need i am an autobody repairer and can and will rebuild the unibody if i have to. maybe ill build a full frame for it too

Sounds cool and all- but a lot of people say they're gonna do that and never follow through; its just an awful lot of work, time, and money.

[me6894]

bumpin96monte, on 16 April 2010 - 03:33 PM, said:

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im gna strip the monte and build it the way i want it rear wheel drive ls motor 5 speed trans i dont have much money but i can basically have access to all the local junkyards and have ppl who will help me get the parts i need i am an autobody repairer and can and will rebuild the unibody if i have to. maybe ill build a full frame for it too

Sounds cool and all- but a lot of people say they're gonna do that and never follow through; its just an awful lot of work, time, and money.

+1 on it never happening